# #107 （2026年10月17日放送分）真誠presents 大久保佳代子・森本しんたろうのどうぞご自由に

- Show: 真誠presents　大久保佳代子・森本しんたろうのどうぞご自由に
- Published: 2026-10-24
- Canonical: https://podc.club/en/episode/1794070876_69fa5f0a7489.html
- Audio: https://traffic.megaphone.fm/CBCRADIO7771163794.mp3
- Source: Edited from a machine transcript of the first 30 minutes of the episode. Not an official summary.

On the October 17, 2026 broadcast of Shinsei presents Okubokayoko Mori Moto Shintaro no Dozo Gojiyuni (#107), Morimoto Shintaro draws on his book Tsukomi no Osaho to discuss the risks of choosing age-inappropriate pop-culture references as comedic callbacks. The hosts also discover mid-taping that Yamashita Kenjiro of the group Sandaime J Soul Brothers (3代目J Soul Brothers) is a devoted listener, and they extend a live invitation for him to guest on the show. Three listener dilemmas round out the episode: a 38-year-old teacher losing his drive, a 29-year-old man frustrated by coworkers before a job change, and a 25-year-old woman struggling to move her 41-year-old boyfriend toward marriage.

## What this episode answers

### What effort do comedians make to expand their bank of tsukkomi (comedic retorts)?

Morimoto's advice is to avoid actively trying to stockpile new material—forcing a half-learned phrase into a conversation almost always falls flat—and instead work naturally with references you have already internalized. He also warns that middle-aged performers citing content popular with teenagers risk coming across as try-hard, so matching your references to your own generation matters.

### Why did Yamashita Kenjiro of Sandaime J Soul Brothers start listening to the show, and why had he been holding back from appearing as a guest?

Yamashita became a heavy listener after discovering the show through one of Okubo's other podcasts, and he had been holding back because he did not want to 'break the atmosphere between the two of them.' Okubo and Morimoto met him face-to-face during the taping of his program Zero Base and used the show itself to formally invite him on as a guest.

### How should a 38-year-old teacher think through losing the motivation he had in his twenties?

Morimoto explains that the frantic, anxiety-driven motivation of your twenties naturally gives way to a steadier mode of delivering solid work once jobs start coming in reliably, so the change in form is normal rather than alarming. Okubo adds that she opened up entirely new areas—podcasting, a golf show, a traditional performing-arts program, mountain climbing—in her fifties, and that something new always comes into view once you push through a plateau.

### How can you get rid of the frustration of seeing a coworker who earns the same or more while appearing to skate by?

Both hosts argue that anyone who keeps getting work must have talent, personal magnetism, or some other genuinely positive reason behind it, calling the entertainment industry 'surprisingly pure and ruthless' in that people with nothing to offer disappear quickly. They also note that if the company itself tolerates coasting, there is little point in complaining—the best move is to find a workplace with higher standards, which is exactly what the listener is already doing.

### What should a 25-year-old woman do when her 41-year-old boyfriend keeps stalling on marriage?

Morimoto advises that holding back will only lock the situation in place indefinitely, so Gumi Mocchi (the listener's handle) needs to push things forward herself—his example is leaving a copy of the bridal magazine Zexy on the table. Okubo adds that a man who has been single until 41 may simply have never built a strong intention to marry, and that his busy schedule means the topic is probably not even registering for him.

## Article

## How to Build Your Tsukkomi Vocabulary

The opening listener letter came from Hokkaido resident Hottokekokuntan, 32, a male fan who wrote that after reading Morimoto's book Tsukkomi no Osaho (ツッコミのお作法), his sister-in-law started setting up setups for him—only to tell him his retorts were "somehow off."

Morimoto's answer was counterintuitive: he tries, as much as possible, *not* to consciously add new material to his repertoire. If you go in with a line you're itching to use, he said, you end up forcing it into a moment that doesn't suit it, and it almost never lands. He takes the same cautious stance on trending content: "There are moments when I wonder whether it's just gross for me to quote something that's huge with teenagers." He is aware of the Chiikawa (ちいかわ) universe, for instance, but deliberately stops short of learning individual character names to deploy them with younger co-stars—he doesn't want to look like he's trying too hard.

That said, he admitted to sometimes rolling the dice on films he hasn't actually seen, relying on secondhand knowledge. He once slipped in "It's turning into Inception, isn't it," and got a clean "Exactly" back. Another example: using a reference to the Robin Williams film Jack in the same breath as "It's not like this is The Curious Case of Benjamin Button." His conclusion for the 32-year-old listener: at that age there's already a solid stockpile to draw from, so the best strategy is to work naturally with what already feels like your own.

## Sandaime JSB's Yamashita Kenjiro Turns Out to Be a Heavy Listener

Okubo recently appeared on Yamashita Kenjiro's program Zero Base. She had had no prior connection to him, so during the taping she asked why she had been invited. The answer: Yamashita had found his way to this show through one of Okubo's other podcasts and had been listening heavily ever since. He even remembered the episode recorded at Shinsei's head office—specifically the detail about staff filling seats from the back of the room forward.

Yamashita had been holding back from guest appearances because, in his own words, he "didn't want to break the atmosphere between the two of them." Morimoto noted that this is something devoted listeners often say, but hearing it from a member of Sandaime J Soul Brothers felt strangely funny and incongruous. Okubo turned directly to her audience: "If you feel that strongly, Yamashita-san, having you there would only make things more exciting"—an open invitation, broadcast to whoever is listening.

## Listener Problem 1: A 38-Year-Old Teacher Who Can't Find His Drive

Inaka Turtle (田舎タートルさん), a male teacher, 38, from Tokushima Prefecture, wrote that he can no longer muster the motivation he had in his twenties and worries whether he can keep going.

Morimoto drew on his own experience: in your twenties, anxiety and a sense that you have to do *something* are what fuel you. Once work starts coming in steadily, you shift into a mode of delivering competent, 75-to-80-point results on whatever is in front of you. Losing that unfocused, restless energy is a natural evolution, not a warning sign. Okubo, for her part, described launching a podcast, a golf show, a traditional performing-arts program, and taking up mountain climbing—all in her fifties—as evidence that the shape of motivation simply changes with age. She closed with the thought that teachers, who meet an entirely new group of students every year, have a source of fresh energy built right into the job.

## Listener Problem 2: Pre-Resignation Frustration at a Coworker Who Gets Away With It

Matsumatsú (マツーマツーさん), a 29-year-old man in Tokyo, is leaving his job at year-end and singled out his habit of getting angry at others for not pulling their weight. His office has churned through ten managers in two years, a culture of short-term fixes has taken hold, and he can't shake his irritation at colleagues earning equal or better pay while seemingly doing less.

Morimoto reframed the question by mapping it onto the entertainment industry: people with genuinely nothing to offer disappear fast; anyone who keeps getting hired has some real asset—talent, likability, something. "It's a surprisingly pure and ruthless world." Okubo agreed, adding that ten managers in two years is an abnormal situation, and if the company actively rewards getting by on the minimum, there's no point venting about it inside. She closed with a wish that the listener's next workplace would be one that holds people to a higher standard.

## Listener Problem 3: A 25-Year-Old Whose 41-Year-Old Boyfriend Won't Commit

Gumi Mocchi (グミモッチさん), a 25-year-old woman from Kochi Prefecture, has been dating her 41-year-old former boss for two years. Both sets of parents have met; both partners say they want to marry. But he is perpetually too busy to set an actual date, and she is running out of patience.

Okubo's read: a man who has stayed single until 41 may never have built a firm intention to marry, and his hectic schedule means the question probably isn't even crossing his mind. Morimoto's advice was direct—holding back will just preserve the status quo indefinitely, so Gumi Mocchi needs to force the issue herself, starting with something concrete like leaving a copy of the bridal magazine Zexy on the coffee table. The hosts also announced they would be sending her a Shinsei sesame product as a gift. Okubo's playful hope: that when the package arrives, she'll get her boyfriend to listen to the episode—and that it might just give him the nudge he needs to finally take the next step.

## Takeaways

- A tsukkomi vocabulary is better built through natural accumulation than conscious stockpiling—forcing borrowed phrases rarely lands, and reaching across generational lines for references risks looking desperate.
- Sandaime J Soul Brothers member Yamashita Kenjiro revealed himself as a devoted listener who had been holding back from guesting so as not to 'break the atmosphere,' prompting Okubo and Morimoto to extend a public invitation on air.
- Whether the issue is fading motivation or workplace frustration, both hosts' shared advice was the same: stop lamenting the situation and change your own behavior—because the circumstances themselves are unlikely to change on their own.