# #75 「永野さんに対してひっかかること」

- Show: こたけ正義感の聞けば無罪
- Published: 2026-10-10
- Canonical: https://podc.club/en/episode/1754897606_41e178008a70.html
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- Source: Edited from a machine transcript of the first 30 minutes of the episode. Not an official summary.

On episode #75 of Kotake Seigikan no Kikeba Muzai (こたけ正義感の聞けば無罪), Kotake vented his anger and frustration after Nagano called him "an amateur trying their hand at comedy" and likened him to Takamatsu Nana on the 100th-episode milestone of Nagano's podcast "Hikkakari Nietzsche" (引っかかりニーチェ) — with editing that buried the context. The episode also featured three listener "dark history" confessions, sharp commentary on tabloid reports about a comedy duo's agency transfer, and a first-grade fight that started because Kotake was reading a book.

## What this episode answers

### What did Nagano say about Kotake on the 100th episode of "Hikkakari Nietzsche," and how did the show edit it?

During an artist-ranking segment, Nagano thought it over and answered "Takamatsu Nana" when asked about Kotake; separately, he called Kotake "an amateur trying their hand at comedy" — a line that went without a caption — while the show splashed "So funny" in oversized text across the screen and used only that phrase as the highlight in the 100th-episode preview.

### Why has Kotake come to distrust Nagano's one-on-one demeanor?

Kotake can no longer tell whether Nagano's warm one-on-one persona — treating him like "we're friends, right" — is genuine or self-protective, and he has also started suspecting that Kuruma's unusually enthusiastic approach at a Kanazawa live show was actually cover for Nagano.

### What stories were featured in the dark history corner?

Three stories: a listener who staged a fake lovey-dovey LINE exchange for an Instagram couple account and accidentally captured the request itself in the screenshot; a listener who alone shouted "I love you!" in a choir rehearsal only for the teacher to retract the instruction the next day; and a listener who wore swimming goggles on their head every day until late elementary school.

### Which comment in the Poison segment on agency transfer reports drew Kotake's sharpest criticism?

"There are more important things the world should be reporting on" — met with "entertainment serves a different purpose" — and the declaration that they would quit as a fan if the transfer happened — met with "please, by all means, step away."

### What reading-related story from first grade did Kotake share?

Two class troublemakers taunted bespectacled, book-reading Kotake — the shortest kid in class — with "classic glasses-kid move"; despite looking like someone who would never start a fight, he launched himself at them without warning and brawled.

## Article

## The "Hikkakari Nietzsche" Survey and the Brutal Response

Kotake Seigikan filled out a listener survey for the 100th-episode milestone of Nagano's podcast "Hikkakari Nietzsche." Prefacing his entry with respect for Nagano, he asked him to stop using the formal address "Kotake-san" — it had bothered him ever since a backstage encounter at Saaya's talk live, where Nagano used it again despite Kotake having already asked him, during a previous guest appearance, to treat him as a fellow comedian. Kotake's admiration for Nagano is genuine: he has watched every one of Nagano's sketch comedy videos on YouTube, and in a ten-question magazine Q&A, two of his answers ended up being about Nagano.

What aired was brutal. During an artist-ranking segment, Sumi was compared to Komuro Tetsuya and Kuruma to Sakamoto Ryuichi. When the host asked "So what about Kotake-san?" Nagano deliberated carefully before answering: "Takamatsu Nana (高松奈々)." Kotake knows exactly what context Nagano uses that name in, which made the intent unmistakable — and unforgivable. "Because I understand the point he was making, I can't let it go," he said.

The editing compounded the damage. The show displayed "So funny" in oversized text across the screen with a small photo of Takamatsu Nana alongside it, making the caption appear to be the main takeaway. That phrase was also the sole highlight in the 100th-episode preview. Kotake later learned that Nagano had also called him "an amateur trying their hand at comedy" — a line that never made it into the captions, but one Kotake says he didn't miss.

## Nagano's "Regret" and Lingering Distrust

Before the 100th episode even aired, having seen the preview and already furious, Kotake was invited onto Nagano's TBS Radio program. He intended to confront him — but Nagano immediately opened with "I really regret this," leaving no opening for a fight. At that point Kotake still didn't know about the "amateur" remark, which he says is partly why he couldn't press harder.

The deeper frustration is the gap between Nagano's private and public selves. One on one, Nagano is warm and signals "we're friends, right" — but Kotake can no longer tell whether that warmth is real or protective performance. He has also started re-reading a moment at a Kanazawa live show where Kuruma approached him with unusually high energy saying "Thanks for doing the survey — it really took off!" and now wonders whether that was Kuruma running interference for Nagano. "This is the worst right now," he said. He described the whole situation as feeling like an unrequited crush, and said he wants to find another chance to talk things through with both Kuruma and Nagano.

## Dark History Corner: Three Listener Confessions

"Paper Driver 6th Grader" sent in a story from the era of Instagram couple accounts. She asked her boyfriend to send a lovey-dovey LINE message so she could screenshot it for the account — then posted the screenshot complete with her own request message in the frame. She deleted and reposted, but it was too late; friends never let her live it down. Kotake noted that the real embarrassment was having a couple account in the first place.

"Minimini Peaman" was in a school chorus rehearsal when the teacher told everyone to shout "Love!" — and while the rest of the class went silent out of embarrassment, she alone belted it out through the gymnasium. The teacher retracted the instruction the next day, rendering her solo shout completely pointless.

"Maru Nezumi" went through a phase, lasting until late elementary school, of wearing swimming goggles on her head every day, inspired by an anime protagonist. The habit ended the day a peer passed her and said, "That's a pool thing, right? Weird." Kotake admitted he used to carry a magnifying glass and leather notebook to school every day as detective tools — "basically the same thing."

## Poison: Agency Transfer Reports

This week's Poison topic was online comments about tabloid reports that a finalist-level comedy duo was considering a move to a major agency. On "big agencies pay better": "not necessarily true." On whether the comedians themselves are actually planning to move: Kotake mentioned having met the duo in question, while noting that when comedians play along and hype the story, even baseless articles escape scrutiny. On "there are more important things the world should report on": "entertainment serves a different purpose." On fans declaring they'd quit if a transfer happened: "please, by all means, step away." On industry-insider commentary overusing terms like "flagship show" and "sponsored program": "comedians who overuse those words are partly to blame." Next week's topic: jumping on trending controversies.

## October Theme: Reading, and a First-Grade Fight

October's listener mail theme is reading. Kotake revealed he loved books from nursery school onward and spent his elementary school recesses reading. One morning in first grade, he was at his desk with his glasses on and a book open when two class troublemakers walked up and said, "Classic glasses-kid move." He was the shortest in the class, and a bespectacled bookworm looked like the last person who'd start a fight — but Kotake was in fact extremely quick-tempered, and he launched himself at them without warning, sparking a full brawl. He recounted the gap — "the tiniest kid who just reads with glasses and is the quickest to fight" — with a laugh, and invited listeners to send in their own reading stories.

## Takeaways

- Nagano called Kotake 'an amateur' and likened him to Takamatsu Nana on 'Hikkakari Nietzsche's' 100th episode, with editing that concealed the context, prompting Kotake to air his anger and frustration on air.
- Nagano's warm one-on-one persona has left Kotake unable to judge whether it is genuine or self-serving, and even his trust in Kuruma has begun to waver.
- Kotake revealed that as a first-grader he looked every bit the quiet bespectacled bookworm but was in fact extremely quick to fight, launching himself without warning at classmates who mocked him.