# #491【アフタートーク】綾瀬はるかも俺と同じ人間だ

- Show: 空気階段の踊り場
- Published: 2026-09-14
- Canonical: https://podc.club/en/episode/1651795950_be69c9f9e08f.html
- Audio: https://pdst.fm/e/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/TBS9632717883.mp3
- Source: Edited from a machine transcript of the first 30 minutes of the episode. Not an official summary.

In this aftertalk episode of Kuukikaidan no Odoriba (#491), the hosts open with a pizza-eating bit that turns into teasing about who has a messier mouth, then move into behind-the-scenes stories from the premiere screening of the movie 'First Voice,' starring Haruka Ayase. The back half covers the recurring 'Ask the Professor' segment, digging into why fellow comedian Nishimura of Cotton claims he 'debuted in 2008.'

## What this episode answers

### What happened during the opening pizza segment?

The two hosts ate pizza together and then showed each other their mouths, with one host getting repeatedly mocked as disgustingly messy, spiraling into jokes about dental work, fake teeth, and being 'dirty on the inside.'

### What is the movie 'First Voice,' starring Haruka Ayase, about?

It's a true story set in the early 1990s about the first woman in Japan to file a harassment lawsuit and fight it through the courts, releasing October 2nd.

### What role did the host play in the film?

He played a boss character who harasses a talented younger female subordinate (played by First Summer Uika) out of jealousy and ends up getting sued, sitting on the defense side opposite Ayase's plaintiff character in courtroom scenes.

### What kind of interactions did he have with co-stars on set?

He found it hard to mingle on the serious film set at first, but stylist Mari Katsuta broke the ice by mentioning she owned a Kuukikaidan tote bag, and co-star Honoka Matsumoto chatted with him about watching the duo's comedy sketches on YouTube, both of which helped him feel included.

### What was discussed about Nishimura in the 'Ask the Professor' segment?

A listener noticed Nishimura told TBS host Karen Takizawa he 'debuted in 2008 too' despite actually debuting in 2012, and had made the same claim to another 2008-debut performer, Takada; the 'professor' theorized he uses the false 'same class' bond to build rapport with seniors and may genuinely believe he belongs to that 2008 cohort.

## Article

## Getting called out over pizza
The episode opens with the two hosts eating pizza together and showing each other their mouths afterward, with one getting repeatedly mocked as disgustingly messy. The bit spirals into jokes about dental work and fake teeth, with jabs like 'you're dirty on the inside, so your mouth is dirty too.'

## Premiere for 'First Voice,' starring Haruka Ayase
One of the hosts had attended a premiere screening earlier that day for a movie starring Haruka Ayase. After a joke mistaking it for 'Total Recall,' the real title is revealed: 'First Voice,' set for release on October 2nd.

## A true story about Japan's first harassment lawsuit
The film is based on a true story set in the early 1990s, about the first woman in Japan to file a harassment lawsuit and fight it through the courts. The host played a boss character who harasses a talented younger female subordinate (played by First Summer Uika) out of jealousy and ends up getting sued. In the courtroom scenes, his character sits on the defense side, opposite Ayase's character on the plaintiff's side, which meant the two didn't share many scenes together.

## Kindness from co-stars on set
The host and Ayase had crossed paths before on variety shows, but he found it hard to mingle with the other cast members on a serious film set. Stylist Mari Katsuta helped break the ice by mentioning she owned a Kuukikaidan tote bag, and co-star Honoka Matsumoto chatted with him about having watched the duo's comedy sketches on YouTube — small gestures that helped him feel included.

## The 'Ask the Professor' segment: Nishimura's '2008 debut' mystery
A listener from Chiba (age 58) wrote in after noticing that Nishimura, from the comedy duo Cotton (the hosts' agency-mates), had told TBS host Karen Takizawa 'I debuted in 2008 too, so we're the same class!' while co-hosting her cooking show — even though Nishimura actually debuted in 2012, the same year as Kuukikaidan. It turns out he'd made the identical claim to another 2008-debut performer, Takada. The in-house 'professor' theorizes that Nishimura leverages the special bond of being in the 'same class' to build rapport with more senior performers, and that his oddly formal deference toward anyone senior to the 2008 group suggests he may genuinely think of himself as part of that 2008 cohort.

## Takeaways

- A pizza-eating bit turned into mutual teasing about messy eating, capped with the joke that 'even Haruka Ayase is human just like us'
- The host attended the premiere of 'First Voice,' starring Haruka Ayase, releasing October 2nd, and shared behind-the-scenes stories
- The 'Ask the Professor' segment analyzed why comedian Nishimura of Cotton keeps claiming a '2008 debut' based on a listener's email