# 彼のスマホの中のホワイトTバック美女 - Show: 大久保佳代子とらぶぶらLOVE - Published: 2026-09-19 - Canonical: https://podc.club/en/episode/1572229955_bdf731b26f04.html - Audio: https://pdst.fm/e/pscrb.fm/rss/p/traffic.megaphone.fm/TBS7365156564.mp3 - Source: Edited from a machine transcript of the first 30 minutes of the episode. Not an official summary. Kayoko Okubo reports back on her real-name, month-plus stint on the dating app Pairs for a TV segment, then teams up with radio writer Takemura to field listener love questions. The topics range from a woman who may only like her boyfriend's "status," to a white thong workout video found on a boyfriend's phone, to a 21-year-old college student startled by her own arousal with her first boyfriend — before the show closes with the launch of a new segment, "Is There Love There?" ## What this episode answers ### Why did Kayoko Okubo try the dating app Pairs, and what did she take away from it? The article frames it as a segment called "Adults Climbing the Stairs," for which she signed up for Pairs under her real identity and went through the process; she came away saying she now understands what the dating-app hookup ("machi-appu") world is really like, and that the ghosting after matches left her anxious enough to keep flipping her phone over to check it. ### How difficult was it to sort through likes and keep up conversations after matching on the app? It was demanding: she was worn out from having to judge dozens of incoming profiles every day, so she called in her love-life mentor Emiko to help sort through them together, and conversations eventually started with six or seven men before she narrowed it down to one. ### What advice did she give a woman worried she's only drawn to her boyfriend's status rather than the man himself? She said that when the early excitement comes mainly from surface-level information, a lack of chemistry in conversation can make her opinion of him plunge all the more sharply, so she advised the listener to focus less on his résumé on date four and more on whether their conversation and values actually click. ### How did she respond to a listener unsettled by a white thong video of her boyfriend's apparent ex, found on his phone? Okubo (with Takemura) allowed that the woman could simply be a gym friend, but agreed the slow 360-degree pan and the boyfriend's ear-to-ear grin while filming felt "kind of not okay"; they also joked that thongs are high-maintenance and easily soiled, suggesting it might have been a "thong covered in filth," and told her to just laugh it off and move on. ### What did she say to a 21-year-old college student confused by her own arousal in her first relationship? Okubo reassured her that she's dating him because she likes how he looks and enjoys being with him, and that a healthy sex drive typical of someone around 20 is simply layered on top of that, encouraging her to fully enjoy what might be the peak of her love life while still being careful. ## Article ## Kayoko Okubo takes on a dating app under her own name At the top of the show, Kayoko Okubo reported on a segment called "Adults Climbing the Stairs," for which she'd signed up for the dating app Pairs using her real identity and actually gone through the process. Her profile openly noted that a TV crew was covering her, yet likes still poured in from a wide range of ages — men in their 50s, 70s, and 30s among them. Worn out from having to judge dozens of incoming profiles every day, she called in her love-life mentor, a woman named Emiko, to help her sort through them together. Conversations eventually started with six or seven men, and she narrowed it down to one who owned a dog and had a nice smile in his photos, inviting him to lunch — only to be turned down, which ended the whole experiment. She said she now understands what the world of dating-app hookups ("machi-appu") is really like, and confessed that the ghosting after matches — messages read but never answered, or contact that simply dried up — left her anxious enough to keep flipping her phone over to check it. Fellow cast members had reportedly taken on the same assignment, and she recalled that some of them had bailed early. ## Is she just drawn to his "status"? A 23-year-old asks A listener going by "Gyakuretaku Nai Cheese" (23, female) wrote in about a man she met on an app after breaking up with a boyfriend of three and a half years this past June. He's five years older, 28, and she's been drawn to his experience working abroad and the fact that he keeps a pet ferret — she even discovered, by coincidence, that his factory workplace is right near her own office. After three dates, he's invited her to yakiniku for their fourth, and she suspects a confession is coming, but she's unsure whether she likes him for who he is or is simply taken with his "status." Takemura noted the dating-app cliché of confessing on the third date, suggesting that if he's waited until the fourth, he may be just as uncertain as she is. Okubo added that when the early excitement comes mainly from surface-level information, a lack of chemistry in conversation can cause her opinion of him to plunge all the more sharply — so on date four, she advised focusing less on his résumé and more on whether their conversation and values actually click. ## A white thong video of an apparent ex, found on her boyfriend's phone "Tokumei Kibo" (30, female, seeing her boyfriend for six months) wrote in about scrolling through her boyfriend's photo folder together with him, only to stumble on a video — from three years ago, before they were together — of a woman he'd apparently had feelings for, doing squats at the gym. A white thong was visible through her black leggings, and the mirror in the shot reflected her boyfriend's grinning face as he filmed. He deleted the video on the spot and insisted he no longer has any feelings for her, but the listener said she can't shake the image of the "white thong" from her mind. Okubo and Takemura allowed that the woman could simply be a gym friend, but agreed that the slow 360-degree pan and his ear-to-ear grin while filming felt "kind of not okay." At the same time, they joked that thongs are a high-maintenance, easily soiled item of underwear — quipping it might well have been a "thong covered in filth" — and suggested she just laugh it off and move on. ## A 21-year-old college student, thrown by her first boyfriend "Oshiri Penpen Kusa" (21, female, college student) wrote in that after getting her very first boyfriend, she got intensely aroused during their first deep kiss at karaoke on their third date, and now can't tell whether she wants to have sex because she likes him or is simply drawn to the physical act itself — she wondered if she's just "in it for the sex." Okubo reassured her that she's dating him because she likes how he looks and enjoys being with him, and that a healthy sex drive typical of someone around 20 is simply layered on top of that. She encouraged her to enjoy what might be the peak of her love life to the fullest, while still being careful. ## New segment "Is There Love There?" launches To close the show, a new collaboration with ifle called "Is There Love There?" (Soko ni Ai wa Aru n ka) launched, in which Okubo judges whether real love exists in listeners' relationship dilemmas. The inaugural letter came from "Tokumei Kibo" (25, female, based in Tokyo), who confessed her feelings six months ago to a man living outside Tokyo whom she'd met through a mutual acquaintance — he told her they were just "friends." Since then, they've kept meeting often, kissing and hugging, with him covering the cost of their meals and daily contact continuing. People around her worry she's become a "convenient woman" for him, but with his move to Tokyo already set for next year, she wrote that she can't bring herself to give up on him. The transcript for this episode ends just as the show begins weighing in on her situation. ## Takeaways - Kayoko Okubo joined the dating app Pairs under her real name and struggled with the fatigue of sorting likes and the sting of being ignored after matching. - A listener smitten with a man's status was advised that if the spark fades once conversation fails to click, her feelings will cool fast — so date four should focus on substance over résumé. - A listener unsettled by an ex's white thong video on her boyfriend's phone was told to simply laugh it off and let it go.