# ep.295 相手の心うちなんかわからないの話

- Show: 銀シャリのおトぎばなし【NEW】
- Published: 2026-10-21
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- Source: Edited from a machine transcript of the first 30 minutes of the episode. Not an official summary.

Ginshali's Hashimoto and Unagi kick off ep. 295 with the sting of being told by a younger talent that she simply doesn't remember working with them, then pinball through Unagi's ego-search disaster on a Nogizaka radio skit, Hashimoto's solo DAZN watch-party of a ninth-inning Hanshin comeback, and the emotional peak of Jerard-on's King of Conte 2024 victory. The episode closes on a meditation about acting, embarrassment, and the art of being perfectly cast.

## What this episode answers

### How did Hashimoto feel when a younger talent said she had no memory of working with him?

Hashimoto was hurt but talked himself into accepting it as genuine honesty — at least she wasn't nodding along pretending to remember — though he admitted a lingering sadness at having reached out warmly in the first place.

### What kind of feedback did Unagi receive from listeners after appearing in a student skit on the Nogizaka radio show?

Hashimoto stumbled on the comment while ego-searching 'Ginshali' on X: a listener wrote that 'Unagi's voice sounds way too old-man-ish to get into the skit.' Unagi grumbled 'why would you tell me that?' but conceded his post-polyp-surgery voice is simply beyond his control.

### What were the circumstances under which Hashimoto watched the Hanshin ninth-inning comeback?

Hashimoto was travelling back from a university festival and watching on the DAZN mobile app; the home run landed at the exact moment his car was pulling into Shinjuku, and he involuntarily shouted 'No way!' into his earphones while alone in the vehicle.

### Which moment from Jerard-on's King of Conte 2024 victory moved both of them the most?

After the win was announced, Jerard-on's members said, 'We would have taken it even with Unomi still in the group,' and Hashimoto was deeply moved — he read it not as a dismissal of their former member but as a statement of genuine strength, saying it was 'incredibly emotional and so cool.'

### How do the two of them think about the difference between people who are good at acting and those who are not?

Hashimoto quoted King of Comedy's Konno, who said that people who are good at acting simply have no sense of embarrassment — self-consciousness creates a theatrical quality that gets in the way — while also noting that some performers, like Jarujaru, actually find it easier to slip into a character than to do stand-up manzai.

## Article

## A Younger Talent Who Didn't Remember Them

Hashimoto found himself working alongside a younger talent and, remembering they'd met before, tried to bring it up — only to be met with a breezy 'I'm just the type who never remembers people.' The admission stung, but Hashimoto worked through it out loud: better an honest answer than someone nodding warmly while drawing a complete blank. He filed her away as sincere, even admirable. Still, he owned up to the residual sadness of having been the one who reached out.

A separate corporate gig produced a near-mirror image. In a backstage holding room, Hashimoto clocked that the MC was a woman who had once been an assistant on Black Mayonnaise and Tutorial programmes, and he was building up to say something when the event organiser cut him off: 'Please don't talk.' Meanwhile Unagi had been approached by the same woman — she remembered working with Tanaka-san and Unagi — but Unagi had recognised no one, and Hashimoto revealed on air that when the organiser intervened, Unagi's face had visibly flooded with relief.

## Unagi's Nogizaka Radio Appearance and the 'Old-Man Voice' Verdict

Unagi took on a monthly MC slot alongside Shizuru's Ikeda on a radio programme featuring Nogizaka members, which meant attempting a student-drama skit with performers a generation younger. Hashimoto, running a routine ego-search for 'Ginshali' on X, took a stray hit: one listener had written that 'Unagi's voice sounds way too old-man-ish to get into the skit.' He duly passed this along. Unagi shot back 'why are you even telling me that?' but could only laugh — his voice changed after polyp surgery and there's nothing to be done about it.

Hashimoto did add that the overwhelming majority of comments called Unagi genuinely funny and praised the fact that every joke landed completely differently from what the young members expected — a full-miss that read as cool. He then, perhaps unwisely, mentioned that one person had also written 'couldn't we just have Hashimoto solo?' The two agreed that X has become almost silent compared with the old live-tweet era; Hashimoto's theory is that typing mid-programme means missing the next line of dialogue. Radio is the exception, he noted, because timestamps on posts let you reverse-engineer exactly which minute an Unagi bit occurs.

## Watching the Hanshin Ninth-Inning Comeback Alone on DAZN

The episode was recorded on 18 October, and the day before, Hashimoto was on the move after a university festival appearance, following the Hanshin game through the DAZN app on his phone. The car was approaching Shinjuku at precisely the moment the count hit two outs in the ninth with a 'one more pitch' call — and then the home run came. Alone, earphones in, Hashimoto yelled 'No way!' to nobody. Unagi admitted he had only been tracking the score via Sports Navi and learned for the first time that DAZN was available on a phone at all. The two detoured into the well-worn baseball truth that a 'final pitch' call tends to sharpen a batter's focus and drag the pitcher into the strike zone, creating a psychological trap — one Hanshin have been on the wrong side of historically, they noted.

## King of Conte 2024: Jerard-on's Win and One Unforgettable Line

Both hosts spent the day before recording consuming comedy content wall-to-wall — it was 'Comedy Day' (お笑いの日). Hashimoto returned home from a job, information-blacked-out to avoid spoilers, and watched on delayed playback. Jerard-on (ジェラードン) took the title, and what broke Hashimoto open was the moment after the announcement when a member said, 'We would have taken it even with Unomi still in the group.' He parsed it as a declaration of capability rather than a dig at their departed member: 'it was incredibly emotional, so cool.' On the all-comedian-judge format, both agreed that everyone managed to discuss the actual content of the acts rather than using their screen time for self-promotion — impressive across the board. Hashimoto mentioned that Ginshali themselves competed in King of Conte around 2012, back when there was still a second-round set.

## Acting, Embarrassment, and the Right Role for the Right Person

The King of Conte conversation drifted into acting. Hashimoto brought up something King of Comedy's Konno had said: that skilled actors are people who feel no embarrassment — self-awareness and a sense of shame produce a theatrical stiffness that betrays the performance. At the same time, there are performers like Jarujaru (ジャルジャル) for whom slipping into a character is easier than doing stand-up manzai, because the character absorbs the anxiety. Unagi freely admitted his own acting is not up to much, then laughed at himself for daydreaming about a morning drama appearance — 'nothing but ulterior motives,' he said. The two landed on a closing thought: find the role that fits a person perfectly, play it as well as it can possibly be played, and that is enough. Versatility matters less than the right fit.

## Takeaways

- The episode's quiet through-line is the impossibility of reading another person's interior — whether that means being honestly forgotten by a younger colleague or reading warmth into a polite nod that means nothing.
- Unagi's 'old-man voice' verdict, discovered by Hashimoto mid-ego-search and immediately reported back, is a classic Ginshali bit that delivers again here, with the added wrinkle of a post-surgery voice that can't be helped.
- Jerard-on's post-victory comment — 'we would have taken it even with Unomi' — landed as one of the most emotionally resonant moments Hashimoto had seen in competition comedy, framing their win as a statement of strength rather than relief.